Adam Maddock | A Coaching Career Without Shortcuts

You've got to really understand that that first year is going to be the hardest. It's going to be where you put have to put in the most work. You're going to have to put the most hours on court in. You're going to have to say yes to everything, pretty much, because you've got to survive, survive, survive, survive. Hey, Adam, it's great to have you here. Thank you very much for being a guest on the show. I really appreciate it and you forged a really good career for yourself as a coach. I also know that you, you know, played tennis a lot and trained at the old voluntaries that IMG Academies and also trained at Sanchez Casals in Barcelona.

So, you know, from a playing background, transitioning into coaching, moving from the UK to the US, which sort of following in your footsteps now and you're now in a, in a leadership position. So just, you know, give the listeners a little bit of a rundown of your, your life story and how you got to where you are now. Yeah. So thanks for having me on Dave. I'm glad we could make it happen. It's so as you said, right now I'm based out in Western in South Florida. I'm the head pro Western Tennis Club, which is part of the Cliff Drysdale organization.

They're the biggest racket management company in the world with 71 clubs I think at the minute and growing. So it's a great company, an organization to be a part of over here. That's really helped me. But my journey all started just outside of Manchester in England, in a little town called Rochdale, not really known for its tennis, but you know, I tried to put it on the map but it didn't quite work out. It's yeah, it all started there. I kind of had the decision that every kid had there. Do I play football or do I go into another sport?

I met a guy, funnily enough, who you coached, who really got me into tennis. Craig Gingham, my coach for a while and really got me kind of hooked on tennis. His whole family. I played in like the local leagues when I was really young with his brother Mike, who had a great junior career, and his dad I played double s with a few times and again, so, yeah, so that that was a great. Kind of Was David used to hide his forehand behind his back? But they were a great family, and family got me all involved.

Then I started taking tennis a little bit more serious, and then we had a family tragedy. One of my little sisters, I've got four sisters and one of my youngest sisters had a battle with leukemia for three, three years. So as I was still playing tennis through that, my dad was learning all about the tennis journey and just found out about volati areas and Gabe Jaromillo saw me play. He was one of the main coaches there and asked me to come over on the full time programme. So sadly when we got back, my sister lost her battle with leukemia and that was a big catalyst in my parents, my mum and my dad allowing me at 12 years old to move country and follow this passion of tennis.

And I trained out there in the full time programme for for years. And you know, my first night there was sharing a room with Kaney Shikori and Heather Watson moved at the same time. And it was a great group of people. And I trained out there for a few years and then moved over to Barcelona because all the kind of British tennis players were moving there with the hype of Andy Murray coming through, Sanchez, Casals and that kind of area. And from there, trying to play, trying to make it work and ended up kind of slipping into coaching as a bit of a natural progression to try and make some money and stay involved.

And coaching became kind of the main thing for me. And it really took off. And before I knew it, I was running a club in Prestwich. And then I got offered a job in Nottingham, moved to Nottingham, ran an Academy in Nottingham. And then that kind of all followed through for a few years before landing out here in Western and just keeping the journey going great. I'm I'm interested. So you're moving to coaching. Was it pretty much kind of planned and deliberate or purely by accident? Yeah, it's it's an interesting one because, you know, I think at some point when you get to that kind of 18 year old mark and you're not making it full time, every player does a few hits, always gets asked to hit coach a few little people on the side.

And we all do it because you need you need the money. But it was actually my dad, because I was just living back home a little, wanted me to coach my youngest sister. And so I started spending some time with her. I was coaching her and when she was 12 years old, we got her to win the 18 and under Lancashire County champs. So I was like, oh, we're, we're doing pretty well. And she we were staying with her for a while. But that got me a bit of a reputation because she was part of the like Aegon future stars.

She was number six in the country and she was doing really well. And that led to other people wanting to come in and and do some stuff with me. And yeah, it all kind of grew out of that with my sister. And she got like the finals a row to Wimbledon. And, you know, so I man, all that word of mouth spread pretty quick. That led to me going to Prestwich Tennis Club just outside of Manchester. And they offered to pay for all my coaching qualifications in return of running. Well, at first I thought it was just going to work at the club and it was Rob and George Morgan's dad who was running the club at the time, but I didn't know that they were putting me in for him.

And I was like, oh, jeez, I was, I was 19. And the next thing I knew, I was running this club. And we made it pretty, pretty successful for my lack of knowledge at the time on how to run an organization like that. We had some really big summer camps. I had like 50 kids in one day. And I was learning the power of, you know, of communication and getting out there and speaking to people. But that led to me moving to Nottingham and running and setting up a bigger program in David Lloyd Nottingham. Because obviously there was a bigger tennis scene in Nottingham with the Academy there and I knew a few players who were playing and I managed to go there.

And with David Lloyd Nottingham gave me a big opportunity to set up a bit of an Academy and to run tournaments across about 5 or 6 different David Lloyd clubs at one time. So that was really something where where my coaching really developed and I was trying to build all these other incomes outside of just being on court so that it it could become this big a thing. And so, yeah, coaching was it started something reluctant and then became a full time passion for sure. And and now I'm still going with it.

So I can't be how? Did how did the link with the US come about in terms of moving over? Yeah, so I always loved after being out here, training out here, I always loved Florida. And even before moving here to train, we had some great family holidays out here and it was just always an area I wanted to be in. Anybody who knows anything about tennis knows Florida's, you know, it's a hotspot. It's one of the best places you can be in the world. So I I always wanted to be back out here and I was trying to find different ways.

And obviously you can't just say I'm that's it, I'm going and I'll make it work. So I was doing some research on how to what do I need to move back, and I was looking at all the different visa types, which funnily enough, I actually, I never told you this for the amount of times we've talked, but the day I went to renew my visa, you were actually in the embassy as well. I think you were getting interviewed as well. And I was like, oh, I know that guy. But yeah, so it was, I was trying to figure out the best visa to go and how how to get there.

And through my research that led to Cliff Jaisdale and I got in touch with a guy who's no longer with the company and he put me, I said to look, I want to come over, I'd really like to be based in Florida. And that got me in touch with a guy who's now the director of the club I run as well. I'm the head pro. He invited me over, came over, saw the club, loved it and just started the visa process to move over. Yeah, it was. It was a struggle to get over and make it work because I was moving over during COVID, so the processes were very long, everything was very delayed.

It was, it was really frustrating but it's so worth it. And if I had to do it again to, to get here. So this time with Cliff Drysdale, I've been here about 3 1/2 years now, all all based down here. A little bit of travelling to to events and tournaments and stuff with players ever since taking over a leadership position in the club. And how and how did that happen moving to, you know, from coming over and coaching? So it's, I mean, it's a pretty rapid rise to become the head coach. Yeah, yeah, a little bit of a little bit of time, good timing when I was when I moved over and I went straight in ballsy and was like how do I move up?

You know, I've got all this experience, I've run all these clubs. I've I've made a success of this. I've, I've built this, I've done this and you know, I got sat down and was like, just be calm. You have patience and be calm. And it's like, you know, you're on the radar. We know what you can do, but you know, we want to teach you our ways and make sure that you're you're with it. So I was doing that. I was working hard and three months later I got very lucky that the people who were the 2 managers at the time both accepted bigger roles at other clubs within the company.

So he approached me and said look we want you to step up and we like what you've been doing and we want you to step up and take it over as as head pro. And ever since then it's just been doing my best to really explode the club and increase tennis participation and really try and make it as stable as I can, right? It's a, it's a good story and you've obviously, you know, in, you know, at a young age, your parents make the probably make the decisions for you and stuff. But with, you know, pretty major decisions, you know, moving over to, to IMG in, in, in Bradenton and then again a big shift to Spain and then back to the UK.

And then, you know, you, I guess you get used to the change and then the decision to to come back to Florida. Do you have any kind of way that's developed now and how you make decisions, especially, you know, big decisions like you know, where you're going to live and stuff like that? Yeah, it's it's interesting. I think when you're look at it from a play in aspect, it's very much shorter. I was a lot shorter term and it was shorter mindsets and just thinking, OK, is this going to help me with where I'm at right now?

Whereas when it switched to coaching and being in a more professional career, I have a lot more of a long term mindset with this now, you know, it's in trying to develop patience and understanding that, you know, it's not just a one year and then everything kind of restarts. It's got to grow year on year. And so as I've got older, it's switched to a much more long term mindset. And before I made the decision to move over here, it was, is this where I want to be long term? Because it's, it's a big risk, you know, part of the thing that as I'm moving over and leaving family in the UK and it's, that's harder to do as you get older because you worry if anything happens and you're a bit more settled there.

And I had ties there. For me, it was the goal of moving over here. I could achieve it with the visa. The company offered me the job and I thought about how I can make it work long term. And I've managed to do that. And it's you've got to really understand that that first year is going to be the hardest. It's going to be where you put have to put in the most work. You're going to have to put the most hours on court in. You're going to have to say yes to everything pretty much because you've got to survive, survive, survive, survive.

And it's so, you know, that's where I think coming from playing tennis has helped you because you know, when you're trying to find a way as a tennis player, sometimes that survival instinct kicks in as well. And you know, if you have a bad day, that's OK, that day is going to end and the next one you have to come out. And there's a lot of things that I've relied on through. And I was taught at IMG and Sanchez Casale and my great coaches that I carried with me for my entire life. And I use them in coaching now.

And I, I teach them because that's those things stand the test of time. Brilliant and I mean, I know this is a changeable thing because as you get older, you see things differently and you maybe admire different people and when you're very young, you might just look at a top tennis player and and that'd be your hero. And but as you get older, you, you start to think more about, you know, people that have influenced you a lot. So is there any person's journey that's really influenced you or amazed you or taught you something incredibly useful?

You know, I do accept that the list is could be pretty long, but if you could kind of maybe single out a couple of examples. Yeah, it's, it's interesting because the, the list could be a mile long and it's, I feel even, you know, to this day I'm still so influenced by these people. And it's the way I want to be. I have, I want to be learning all the time and influenced and it keeps me motivated to improve. But you know, if I had to, to pick two, and I'll go with an easy one to start, which is of course, you know, my parents and they were, I see the things that they went through, especially with losing, losing a child.

And, you know, and I, I single out my dad in, in this really, because I talk to him everyday and we've had a lot of conversations about it is that resilience of being able to keep going and grow the business that he was doing at the time and look after five other kids and try and have one kid sick and five others pursuing dreams and be brave enough after both my parents being brave enough after losing a kid to allow another one at 12 to just move away and, and, you know, chase a dream. And, you know, I, my dad is, is he's a very tough man.

And even when he looks after, he looks after one of my other sisters now. And I don't know what could, what could get the man down. He wakes up every day and it's a new day. And I think that resilience of is, it's just admirable. And I hope to inherit that. And I try and bring that every day where I think, OK, if I've had a bad day, I'll sleep it off and tomorrow's a new day and let's see what happens. You've got to, you've got to keep living that life forward and have those lessons. And I hope to carry that with me for the rest of my life.

My, my parents, especially my dad taught me that. And then I suppose the other one which goes into my coaching was, you know, just being around voluntary himself. What a legal. Enthusiasm. So infectious, so infectious. Something that has made me be successful in every club that I've gone into is one of the things that I didn't really appreciate while I was there, but I appreciated when I was trying to get into coaching is the pure environment that that man created. It's such a motivational learning environment and the want to be better and offer opportunity and get everyone in a collaborative state, but be competitive at the same time.

And, you know, as, as I look back now and I run these clubs and I think, whoa, that was to be a part of that definitely changed my life. And I don't think I didn't think about it when I was in it, but the power that that has stayed with me for the rest of my life. You know, I you, you know, because obviously you've spent a lot of time around Manchester and I've seen you in the Lancashire Health and Racquet Club working with people. The environment was never the same for me in Rochdale and Heywood that you could do great things.

I look at a lot of my family, my friends who I went to school with, and it's a very, it's easy to stay in those places. And I think just through going there and you couldn't you have this dream And they, they teach you that if you work hard enough, you can achieve it. And you've got to work hard, but you've got to work hard every day. You've got to get out there and they'll motivate you to do it. And so I think those things that I saw Nick do and be on court and be able to drive get someone that will want to run through a wall, but at the same time be compassionate but funny and have this big things going on around him as like, you know, it's we like tennis lost a great man when when he.

Well, I mean, at the end of the day, his vision, I I mean, I remember Boloteri's when it started. It was an old Holiday Inn hotel and the rooms they used, you know, for the players to be in and, and all around a little pool and then the courts outside. In fact, I mean, this was his second part because he started and some club courts, not club courts, some apartment courts, you know, up the road. And then he moved. The big move was to the Holiday Inn hotel that he he bought. And it was the original tennis Academy really.

And truthfully, the, the, the first day is an incredible pioneer. And you know, I think what academies have developed into today are all on the back of what he he kind of pioneered. But I mean, it always astounded me. I remember I I was there when IMG had already taken over and that and I don't know if you remember he used to have these coaching DVDs, you know, like, you know, four hand attack and all of this stuff. And he was a. Guy who made it with him and and I used to sell them for Nick in in in the UK because I had my own coaching DVDs and and I used to sell Nicks alongside it he goes Dave Dave, Dave come here come here and we go in the office and he goes IMG.

It's all changing everything like that. I won't be able to do these DVDs anymore, but I can give you an unbelievable deal if you take these all off me, you know, and I was like, it's, it's his enthusiasm for everything was just amazing and and always up for a deal. And yeah, just. But yes, you know, I mean, a very, I mean, it never waned either. I mean, even in his 70s, he's not, you know, coming there early and walking around and it's just buzzing, you know, from morning till night. It's a phenomenal energy that he had.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, even when I was there, he was one of the first in the gym in the morning and he'd be on court and you know, it's, but it is, it's that environment. And that's why that Academy succeeded with so many players at the time, because he understood what the power of that environment could do better than and I still believe better than any Academy in the world today does because, you know, right now, and I visit them these clubs often is they're not the same energy. They're not the same kind of competitive spirit, but collaboration at the same time.

It was. He had the recipe spot on well. He, he was an amazing driving force and I think for any environment to, to really be outstanding, there has to be an incredible driving force behind it. And, you know, a standard that that people, you know, want to, to help achieve because, you know, he's setting, you know, and, and he lived by example. It wasn't like he's showing up at 10 O clock and, you know, going to play golf at 3:00 in the afternoon or something. Like, I mean, he was always there when it wasn't on the road.

So, you know, I, I can't speak for all academies. I mean obviously like you have been too many of them, but sometimes I see the missing thing is a real driving force behind. Behind the Academy elevates it from just a business to something else. Yeah, it it had like said they had it right. And it's, you know, that's why they were making so many players and people wanted to be there. And but that's why he'll always be on that list of people for me that just have managed to have such an influence on my life.

And, you know, I was lucky enough to spend quite a bit of time around him and there's just things that will just rub off of me for the the rest of my life. And, you know, he was brutally honest with me at certain times and, you know, called me, called me out a few times and him and Gabe, I remember it was probably just the sales page where he was telling me, Hey, you got, you know, you got amazing hands. I was doing these some shorts. He's like, you can play just being too lazy, man. They're going to kill you.

They're going to kill you. And he was like, you know, he's like, we'll we'll run it out here. We'll run it out here. And it's, you know, it's one of the things that I just loved was he just seemed to have time for everybody from every player there. You know, it's it was just a great place to be and it affected me for the rest of my life. And that's how I try and run clubs today, making these environments, giving people opportunities to play as much as I can. And you know, I hope to to try and leave a little mark of that and wherever I go and keep it that kind of system buzzing because I feel like we're getting away from it when the the big academies now, sadly.

Cool. What's a common myth or piece of bad advice you hear in your field? You know, it's, it's interesting because I, I used to, I've, I've done all aspects of coaching really for performance players, playing tournaments, high schoolers. And you know, now where I'm at currently, I deal with a lot of recreational players. And there's, so I've heard, I feel like I've been around and heard a lot now. And the one that gets me at the minute, because I'm, I'm hearing it a lot is, you know, it's, they just wouldn't let me play my game.

There was junk ball in me, junk ball in me, junk ball in me, but they stopped me playing because they didn't hit hard enough for me to play my game. And it's this perception that, you know, how much control other people have over our games is, is something that will always bug me, but they're not at my level. So that's why they beat me because, you know, and I'm like, oh, just please no. And it's, that's something that I, I deal with quite a lot. And it's it's an interesting myth to get around tennis because you know, you can only beat and play who's in front of you.

And you've got to deal with whatever they give you and whether they're giving you junk or they're giving you the exactly how you want it, you've got to bring your game on the day. And you've got to do enough, whether that's by playing beautifully or winning ugly. You've just got to get the job done at certain times. But yeah, this this perception of they just didn't hit hard enough for me to play my game. And, you know, it was it was too slow. It's that's one of these myths that I, I wish coaches would just say, well, no, maybe your feet stopped.

Maybe you lost your confidence because you didn't work on the fundamentals of your game. And it's that's something that I hope coaches. Maybe that excuse you need to look at, because that's an excuse for you not doing something that you need to do in order to beat someone like that. Yeah, yeah. Because generally it's like that. I mean, it's a fabulous myth, but it's, it is very common. And it's like somehow, you know, the game needs to present itself in the way that you want it to. No, tennis is the game And you can present yourself and others can present themselves any way they like.

And then the job is to win the game of tennis, whatever it is. It's not the game of tennis is going to mold itself to how you want it to be. Yeah. You know, it's an excuse for not, you know, maybe doing some of the the harder things to learn how to how to beat. And it's like, oh, you know, one day, you know, the one, idolize. Like one day the fairy godmother's going to come in my head and give me everything I need. And suddenly I'll go out there and I can win playing beautifully and easily and not have to hurt too much to get better or fall into place.

Lovely for me if I just keep going and and that it's. And it's the the other one, which, you know, coming from the academies and dealing with some of the players I've dealt with and some of the coaches is people now at this the lower recreational side, they seem to think, and there's some of them, this isn't all of them, but that we're hiding drills that will advance them. So I had people come to me and say, I want you to do those advanced drills with me. What is that? Because I, if you could tell me that, that would be great.

It's like, look, I've seen the best players and, and you know, me and you talked about this last time we got together, but, and you were doing a drill with Kyle and it was just hitting down the middle. How many balls can we keep down the middle? And you know, there's not enough, there's not enough appreciation for the fundamentals and just doing doing the things, the best basic things to your highest ability. And instead it's, oh, there's there's something that I'm not being shown or something I'm not being told that that's what's stopping me from being really good.

And it's, you know, it's, that's a myth that I, I hope coaches again shut down that, you know, there's no you. Know yeah, you can't go to Walmart and buy the buy the game you need. You know, I mean, there's no magic bullet that that's going to solve your problem is you just have to keep working at it and get. Better, Yeah. And it's you've got to just do the basics really well, You know, rallying cross court down the line is undervalued and being able to hit so many shots within a minute. And it's, you know, especially people look at the top of the game today, don't they?

And it's always come and tell me when we talk about it the next day, they'll tell me the the highlights, the best shot. You see that drop shot he did from back then? I was like, it was a great shot. It's beautiful, don't get me wrong. But let's talk about, hey, did you see he only missed this many balls in the set? He went for this many winners. You know, it's, that's something I hope coaches start to be a little bit more honest with players about just just let's set the fundamentals and build instead of thinking, hey, there's like, like you're 3 sessions in now I'm going to teach you this jump forehand or jump backhand and that's going to change your game.

And it's, you know, so that's something that's been very, you know. I've had this with players before. You know, it's it's, you know, isn't my focus, is it my forehand? Is it this, is it that? And I'd say, look, it's all of them. It's all of them. You know, you got to get better at all of these things. You know, there's no one thing that's going to change everything. It's all of these things are going to need to get better. And that's not, you know, and you know, you're doing this really well and you're doing that really well, but there's still a lot and, and, and that process never ends because you're always trying to get better and it doesn't matter how good you get.

If you could mentor yourself, looking back on your tennis career now, the playing part, what is there one thing that maybe you could have been told or in hindsight now thought that was actually something I I didn't take seriously enough or take on board enough. And if I had done it, it certainly would have made some difference to how well I played tennis. Yeah, I think, you know, I trained a lot and and played a lot of matches and I felt like I was heading in the right direction. But when when it was getting 1920 and it was some bigger decisions could have been made as to to which way I'm going because of just and you know, what it's like around Manchester is I played a lot of like the social matches because if you play for us, you can you coach at the club and stuff like this.

And I needed that. I got, I just allowed myself to play too many matches that were very kind of easy and you know, like, and I found very comfortable, but I allowed myself to get into too many bad habits on a match court and that was very hard for me to, to get out of. So when I played more competitive matches, I found that very hard to snap back in and cut out the bad habits, you know, in playing easier matches quite a lot. I wouldn't feel under pressure. So I could try and be very creative and I could try shots that I shouldn't try.

But the problem was when I carried that through into more competitive tournaments, that doesn't work. Yeah, low percentages. Yeah, low percentage if you if you're trying to hit a drop shot from three foot behind the baseline because the an easier level, your players slow at the at the top more competitive level, they'll they'll shut you down a lot easier. So I think that that was something I would advise against to a lot of players is at that key time, really stay as competitive as you can, you know, and I had to do it for for certain reasons and get in coaching and, and play for these these clubs and, you know, national club league and all all this stuff.

And it was just, it wasn't the best thing for me long term, you know, and this is what like we were saying before where, you know, when I was playing, it was all very short term thinking. And I think I, I wish I thought more long term with that because, you know, whether it's just me or there's a lot of other players I don't know, snapping in and out of, well, this match wasn't really very competitive environment for me. So it's OK, I'll just go in and, and try what I want. And then to go into a competitive environment and think I'm going to keep that intensity in that level.

Maybe some people are capable of picking it up and no issues. But for me as a player, I very much struggled to pick it up and take it to a the level that needed to in a competitive environment to win multiple matches. Yeah, that that's something I would, I'd definitely tell myself, you know, also be a lot stricter with with warming up and and cooling down, you know, that will keep you fitter for very long, much longer and and solve a lot of issues. And you know, I think cooldowns, especially my warmer wasn't too bad, but cooldowns especially was something that as I got especially I. Find when especially younger players, but even up into, you know, lower levels of pro, where if they lose a match, they tend to really skip the cool down or, or, or, or do a really shabby job at it.

Because like, you know, they just want to get out of there and, and feel bad and all that, whereas you you can't, you got to have these routines that you do regardless of how you feel. Yeah. Yeah. Great. OK. My last question to you is, what's the most fun thing about your work? I think the most fun for me at the minute is the club that I'm at really, you know, great team around me and people helping me, which is which is really great because of we're we're in a big community. I see people 5 sometimes 6 * a week.

And to really be a part of that journey consistently and, and be on it with them every day and watch their progression because I get to look at it from a much more zoomed out picture than them. And I can really see how much they've progressed over the last year. And I think that's been really rewarding to me in in showing that it's not just the top players who want to progress and players who want to go and compete, but this lady who's just starting tennis is also really wants to improve and get to some competitive level with it.

You know, doing that over and over again and provide opportunities for them to play as much as as they can and, you know, really be with them. And some of them are just incredible to me and, you know, treat me so nicely. And I have a great relationship with them. And that's been really rewarding to build these relationships over here for the last few years. And my transition over from England was made a lot easier by that because you know, when these people really bring you in and look after you and it's really take you in as one of their own.

And, but we'll give you the respect as a coach, you just made my transition here a lot smoother, a lot more fun and made me just love the life that I knew I could have out here in Florida. And it's, but Florida itself is just a great place to be at. You know, it's, it's beautiful. One and one last thing is, you know, and just a short answer and maybe it's just keep going on what you're doing, but what is next for you? So right now I've got some big plans for my part of the club for the next, for the next year.

Obviously you're you're a part of those plans Dave, in the sense we're holding a double S master class together, which is an exciting thing for the members of the club. We solved that out really fast. It's to try and bring more opportunities to the to the club over the next year, keep the players playing. We're also trying to grow a lot in the tournament side, hold some much bigger events at the club, really try and bring as many people and grope the participation of tennis at the club so that I can bring more coaches in and build more full time jobs for them within Cliff Drysdale and Troon.

And and then hopefully with that, keep keep moving up within within Cliff Drysdale 'cause they're a great company and you know, they're doing some some big things around the tennis world and launching some pretty great initiatives. They're hopefully getting more and more clubs all the time. And you know, with that, more and more coaches and they get really investing into their coaching education side now. And it's something that I'm really interested in and really seeing the company grow. And it's something I, I speak to you a lot about in coach education.

And obviously I've asked you questions about my own career. So I'd, I'd like to see where that goes. And you know, I, I talked to the USTA not long ago because they're investing heavily into their coaching program and really working on coach education. And, you know, I, I think I've been around a long time now and been successful in every club. And I want to get back to helping these coaches try and build something successful as well and start passing down that knowledge a little and bring people in and try and really keep growing the sport of tennis in the area and then see where that takes me.

Well, thanks very much for answering my questions and being on the show. And next is going to be your turn to put me in the hot seat. But thanks, Dave. Appreciate it. Take care. For watching Locker Room Power with David Samuel, if you enjoyed the episode, hit subscribe and leave a comment on your favorite platform. See you in the next one.

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